Proof #16: Contemplate the Contradictions

December 28, 2007 at 1:15 am 11 comments

This section is purely argument by outrage, puts forth no evidence contradicting God, and puts forth no actual contradictions.

First, Marshall Brain says that God issued the decree “You shall not kill,” and then to punish the Israelites God has them kill each other.  Here is where we have to understand that the wage of sin is death (Rom 6:23), and that these people sinned (cf. Ex 20:4-6).  They were judged guilty by God and as such lost their lives.

This is far different from what is meant by the Commandment.  The Commandment is better understood as “You shall not commit murder,” that is, killing someone without cause.  These people were not killed without cause.

Slavery has already been answered here.

Next, Brain is taking the word of a magazine, Christianity Today, over the infallible Word of God.  Torture is morally wrong, but Brain assumes a lot when he states that childbirth is torture.  God said that He will multiply or increase a woman’s pain in childbirth, which indicates that in His perfect universe–the one He declared was good–that pain was already there.

Ending the torture would be its own reward.  The end of childbirth, however, has far greater rewards than no more pain, however.

The last thing that I should note is that these alleged “contradictions” are in the religious belief system itself–they do not lie with God.  Humans still created this religious system, and God has shown Himself to be anti-religious system in His Word (Mk 7:10-13) .  Therefore, it is difficult to believe that any sort of human invention can get us closer to God.  Brain refuses to separate God from religion, and that is where the fallacy lies in this so-called “proof.”

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  • 1. Luke  |  June 14, 2008 at 8:15 am

    First, Marshall Brain says that God issued the decree “You shall not kill,” and then to punish the Israelites God has them kill each other. Here is where we have to understand that the wage of sin is death (Rom 6:23), and that these people sinned (cf. Ex 20:4-6). They were judged guilty by God and as such lost their lives.
    –I hate when people make excuses for God’s advocation of murder by saying “Since God said what to murder people for and told people when to murder, it makes it all better because it’s not murder anymore since God said so, and so it doesn’t fall under the commandment.” Look, EVERYTHING was murder until God randomly gave the petty “laws and guidelines” on what he decided would be justified killing and was not considered murder anymore. I don’t know who’s covering for who. Modern Christians that say “since God said so, it’s not murder,” Or God covering for himself by saying “I better tell people what is ok to murder each other for to make it sound like it’s justified killing so that I’m not seen as breaking my own commandment to my sheeple.”
    Here’s an example.
    “Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does [any] work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
    –Why would God honestly feel those people needed to die for such a stupid reason? What greater good came out of people dying for such a petty, unjust reason? Why is God all about instilling fear by death? The same goes for the death of all those worshiping of the false idol when Moses came down the mountain. Why wouldn’t he give them a chance to be forgiven and repent?
    –Before God said those things, it was murder to kill someone who did work on the sabbath, but as soon as he told people to kill those who work on the Sabbath, it was justified killing and was just fine and dandy. Sorry, but I don’t see it that way. All the petty crap God said to put people to death for is all still murder the way I see it.
    Humans that consciously take lives murder. (Unless God says it’s ok, apparently.)
    Non-conscious things that take lives like heart attacks Kill.
    –The Bible says the wage of sin is death. Well apparently, in regards to Jesus’ disciples, so was the wage of preaching the Gospel. And if the wage of sin is death, then where does forgiveness come in? Isn’t killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity? And if you think this is argument by outrage, you’re damn right it is.

    Next, Brain is taking the word of a magazine, Christianity Today, over the infallible Word of God. Torture is morally wrong
    –The Bible is FAR from infallible and being the word of God. It’s the word of man, and the Bible is littered with God torturing people. What could be any less torturous than the flood where EVERYONE but a few people drowned, including small children and babies? Not only is that torture and a horrible way to die, but it was also the senseless murder of innocent babies and children. See the contradictions now?

    The last thing that I should note is that these alleged “contradictions” are in the religious belief system itself–they do not lie with God. Humans still created this religious system, and God has shown Himself to be anti-religious system in His Word (Mk 7:10-13) . Therefore, it is difficult to believe that any sort of human invention can get us closer to God. Brain refuses to separate God from religion, and that is where the fallacy lies in this so-called “proof.”
    –I don’t know what to make of your paragraph there, but I’ll try to address it.
    –This religious belief system and the bible is depicting God, so these contradictions do lie with the nature of the God and of the Bible. And I agree with you that humans created this religious system, but that also means they created this God.
    God has shown himself to be anti-religious system in his word? –What are you even trying to say here? That God is anti-religion? What do you think Christianity, and everything else is that has a God that people worship is? Please tell me that if everything else is a religion but Christianity, then what IS Christianity by your definition?
    Therefore, it is difficult to believe that any sort of human invention can get us closer to God.
    Gods, and the bible are human inventions, and isn’t that what you’re using to bring yourself “closer” to God?
    –Also, I like how you say that humans created this religious system and the Bible, but still call it “God’s infallible word.”
    And by the way, Brain’s proof regarding contradictions is that if the Bible is a perfect God’s infallible word but contradicts itself on numerous occasions, then the Bible and the “perfect” God that’s portrayed in it is all a work of fiction. Face it, there’s more holes in the Bible and it’s stories than there are in Evolution, lol.

  • 2. White  |  July 1, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    -God gave life. He can take it back. zzz.
    -Same
    -Same
    -Same
    -Same. zzz
    -Jesus founded Christianity. Humans founded the relisious system. ok?
    -Becos to us (to us only, maybe) Christianity is not a religion. its a relationship with God 🙂
    -Nope. Evolution is the greatest myth. Its like spontaneous generation, which back then was ‘science’ too.

  • 3. luke  |  July 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    White says:
    God gave life. He can take it back. zzz.
    –Nice rationalization with no real argument ya got there. Your parents gave you life. Is it considered love if they “take it back” by killing you?

    Christianity is not a religion. its a relationship with God
    –Religion is defined as:
    –the service and worship of God or the supernatural; commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance; a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
    –ALL worship of any supernatural God no matter who it is in any culture is considered a religion. Based on your little “relationship with God” statement, any worship of any God created on earth is not a religion because all religions are people’s “relationships” with their Gods.

    Nope. Evolution is the greatest myth. Its like spontaneous generation, which back then was ’science’ too.
    –Of course you would like to believe that evolution is false because you know Evolution destroys the foundation of all religions. So you remain willfully ignorant of all the facts and evidence of Evolution and refuse to even learn or study it. According to you, all the transitional fossils ever found don’t exist and all scientists are in some kind of “anti-religion” conspiracy. Among ALL the grad students and scientists who work in the field of evolution, not a single one of them has any doubts that the facts of evolution are not true. If there was no evidence whatsoever for evolution, then it would not even be conceived of or would have been tossed out the window long ago.
    –In a world without a God who caused the “spontaneous creation” of all lifeforms on earth, and the spontaneous creation of the earth and universe itself, evolution is indeed true. It’s just too bad for you that there’s more evidence for it than there is of your God or any of the other Gods.

  • 4. Anti-Devil  |  July 10, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    My dearest brother luke,Look LOOK.! there are 2 kinds of evolution…macro and micro..macro is something like from ape to man…that is only a myth..not proven..science is so limited…micro is maybe humans who live in colder places then to grow more hair(exmaple only) please get wat is wat..evolution?i a christian believe in micro evolution..but not macro=D so just take it thati believe in evoltions..SMALL ONE perhaps

  • 5. luke  |  July 10, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Anti-Devil Says:
    July 10, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    My dearest brother luke,Look LOOK.! there are 2 kinds of evolution…macro and micro..macro is something like from ape to man…that is only a myth..not proven..science is so limited…micro is maybe humans who live in colder places then to grow more hair(exmaple only) please get wat is wat..evolution?i a christian believe in micro evolution..but not macro=D so just take it thati believe in evoltions..SMALL ONE perhaps
    –You can’t walk a mile in one step. Evolutionary scientists do NOT believe that animals miraculously give birth to an entire new species in one birth. It takes a long time, and many generations of micro-evolution. Evolution is a journey, not a destination. And macro evolution is NOT a myth because there are transitional fossils to back it up. It’s funny, because there’s nothing to back up the existence of God. So what’s the real myth here?
    –And really, there is no “2 kinds” of evolution, there is only evolution. The terms Macro and micro are pretty much just used when comparing other changes or transitional fossils from the past to another change or transitional fossil of another point in a species’ evolutionary history. And if you even remotely believe in “micro” evolution then congratulations, you believe in evolution.

  • 6. Mark  |  July 10, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    I’m a Christian and I’m a hardcore evolutionist. I tolerate no evolution-mythers. Microevolution adds up.
    Now, about the God thing, the quickest way to prove it is existence, and I cannot explain or define this, you must experience it.

  • 7. luke  |  July 10, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    I’m a Christian and I’m a hardcore evolutionist. I tolerate no evolution-mythers. Microevolution adds up.
    –The problem with evolution and religion is that it contradicts all creation stories of all the different religions on Earth. Also, it’s ridiculous to think that when man finally evolved, God said “Oh look. Humans! Let me go there, establish the heaven/hell test, do some stuff to get a book written, and then leave man up to his own devices and see where they end up after they die.”

    Now, about the God thing, the quickest way to prove it is existence, and I cannot explain or define this, you must experience it.
    –Experience what? Feelings and emotions you accredit to a supernatural force?

  • 8. Mark  |  July 11, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    1. Huh?
    2. No, existence.

  • 9. Anti-Devil  |  July 14, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Mark,don be a hardcore evolutionist=D it contradicts,lets just say all these werent important..just concentrate one god,Don’t give a crap about evolution when its not as important as the existence of god

  • 10. Luke  |  July 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    just concentrate one god,Don’t give a crap about evolution when its not as important as the existence of god
    –In other words, willful ignorance. It must feel nice to completely ignore something when it contradicts your beliefs. It makes any bubble of delusion more comfortable to float around in.

  • 11. Anti-Devil  |  July 16, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    thats bullshit man..why the hell would i wan to make my so called bubble of delusion more comfortable when obviously it has no link..its total bullshit created by u


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