Proof 19: Notice That You Ignore Jesus

January 4, 2008 at 8:39 am 5 comments

Marshall Brain cites the following Bible verses:

  • Matthew 6:19, 24
  • Luke 14:33
  • Matthew 19:21-24, 28-29
  • Luke 9:23-25
  • Matthew 13:22
  • Hebrews 13:5
  • Philippians 2:3
  • Acts 2:44-45

And concludes: “The message is clear. If you want to follow Jesus, you need to ‘sell your possessions and give to the poor.’ ”  That is a faulty conclusion for one important reason: one of the Ten Commandments, the foundation of the Law of God, is “Do not steal.”  This indicates that there is nothing inherently or morally wrong with owning property or having possessions.  Unless someone first owns the property, it cannot be stolen!

Jesus, using the dramatic language and hyperbole as He so often does, is trying to show us that material goods pass away in time.  We cannot rely upon them, but we can rely upon Him.  He is the eternal Word of God and will always be there.  Our possessions should not be more important to us than our God.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t give anything to the poor.  In fact we should.  There are missionaries who dedicate their entire lives to, and give up everything that they own to help the poor.  Look at Mother Teresa.  Better yet, go to the nearest church and find out which missionaries that they are sponsoring and in what countries.  Chances are they are helping several missionary families.

Following that example, every Christian should dedicate what income they can afford to help said missionaries, sponsor a child, or donate to worthy charities.  This is part of showing good stewardship over the material possessions that we do have, and that pleases God to see us use our worldly goods to help each other.

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  • 1. Luke  |  June 14, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Jesus, using the dramatic language and hyperbole as He so often does
    What do we call people who exaggerate often? Liars.

    Anyway, if you want to make better refutations against Brain’s proofs, you really should address all of his points, and address the verses he uses in his work instead of summing his proofs up into a generalization and writing a little bit about it. Patrick Dunnevant does a pretty good job in that regard, and I’ve debated with him a little bit. But he hasn’t responded to my recent rebuttals in our back and forth debates for a while, so I came here, lol.

  • 2. Luke  |  June 14, 2008 at 11:21 am

    (Here’s an example of one of the verses Brain mentioned and an excerpt from one of my debates with Patrick)
    Matthew 19:21-24
    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    But he clearly says to his disciples that AFTER the rich man “went away sad” that it’s hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven. How much harder? What are the extra steps needed to be rich and still get into heaven? None, apparently, because Jesus clarifies his statement further and says “again I tell you” that it’s more than impossible for a rich man to get into heaven. A camel going through the eye of a needle is impossible, and saying it’s easier for a camel to do that is emphasizing that it’s MORE than impossible. So it went from hard, to more than impossible. If it’s more than impossible, then making exceptions like forgiveness to that impossibility would be contradiction, and would make Jesus a liar. And if God can forgive a rich person and allow him into heaven anyway and break his own rule and make Jesus out to be a liar, then God can break his own rules and make himself a liar about anything he wants and get away with it. The Bible doesn’t necessarily promise anything at all rather what is written in it is true or not.

    And Jesus flat out said “I tell you the truth” from the beginning, so it’s not a hypothetical statement, parable, or metaphor. (The camel part was a metaphor, but only to help explain the importance of the message he was conveying.) So you better not get rich, or be rich or it’s no heaven for you. Sorry Pope, but you better go over the Bible again and get rid of most of your money or else you’re ignoring Jesus like Marshall Brain says. Just how much money qualifies you as “rich,” by the way? One cent, 5 dollars, 1,000 dollars or more than your cost of living? Don’t save up too much for retirement, or have money saved up to pay for your children’s college educations. Just keep enough for your living expenses. Your extra money can be put to better use for needy people. Don’t worry about keeping some some stashed away for emergencies. Surely God will take care of you for all your good deeds and not being materialistic and serving money. What then if someone donates a billion dollars or more to a homeless person and the homeless person dies the next day? He died rich, so no heaven for him. Or just find a hole in the system. If you just so happen to know if you may die soon because of cancer or whatever, then just donate your money so you’re not rich before you die. Problem solved.

    That means that no rich person in the history of man has ever gotten into heaven no matter how good they were. I’m sure God had that rule in effect before he put Jesus here. Jesus was only a messenger.

  • 3. White  |  July 1, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    NO. Rich people are just MORE difficult to go heaven. Does it mean poor people go heaven?? In my belief, without Jesus, no. Same for rich people.

  • 4. luke  |  July 8, 2008 at 11:32 am

    NO. Rich people are just MORE difficult to go heaven. Does it mean poor people go heaven?? In my belief, without Jesus, no. Same for rich people.
    –You apparently did not read the rest of the verse and my interpretation of it or even bother to interpret the rest of it for yourself. But like I said above, how much more difficult is it for a rich man to get to heaven? What are the extra steps needed to be rich and still go to heaven? (continued above….)

  • 5. Anti-Devil  |  July 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Jesus is lord,our saviour!=D

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