Proof #22: Count all the People God wants to Murder

January 5, 2008 at 8:03 am 6 comments

I object to the use of the term “murder” in Marshall Brain’s title.  Murder would imply innocence, and all of the people that God decrees should die in the verses that Brain cites have committed a sin.  But, they have committed so-called “minor” sins, or at least sins that Brain feels are minor.

For example, Exodus 35:2 which demands the death of those who work on the Sabbath Day.  Brain assumes that the Sabbath is Sunday, because he says that everyone who works on should therefore die:

Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath — all the employees of Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, Linnens & things, grocery stores, convenience stores, power plants, airlines, hospitals, emergency services and on and on and on. Don’t rabbis, priests and preachers work on the Sabbath? God wants all of them dead.

The Ten Commandments don’t specify a day; they merely say that one day should be set aside for rest.  Traditionally, that day has been Sunday.  There is nothing wrong with setting aside another day, especially when you have a crazy work schedule the way that I do.  Again, the point is one day out of seven to rest, not a specific day of the week.

He then looks at Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and concludes that we must kill a lot of teenagers, since those verses demand the death of rebellious children.  Then, he brings up Leviticus 20:13 (homosexuals), and then an uncited verse that demands the death of adulterers.  He then concludes:

. . . if we actually listened to what God says, we would need to kill at least half of the people in America tomorrow. After all, Isaiah 40:8 says, “The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever.” The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the U.S. population.

There are two things in this that show you that God is imaginary. First there is the utter stupidity of these verses. Second, there is this fact: If God is an all-powerful being, he would kill them himself. There would be no need for people to do the murdering. These people would already be dead, and Wal-Mart would be closed on the Sabbath through lack of employees.

Do believers ignore these parts of the Bible?  Well, I’d say that we ignore the prescribed death penalties because we are no longer under the law, but under God’s grace.  The enforcement penalties are now left to Him (cf. Rom 12:19).  Those verses, therefore, tell us how seriously God takes the Sabbath Day, as well as the sins of homosexuality, disobeying parents, and adultery.

It is now accepted in society to work up to seven days in a week with no rest.  It is now an accepted part of growing up for teenagers to act out.  Homosexuality is gaining acceptance–look at how many states now have provisions for civil unions or even allow gay marriages.  Adultery is the natural choice for people in a troubled marriage.  I think it says a lot for the how our society’s collective mores have weakened that all of these things now receive the green light, and anyone who would say otherwise is “behind the times” at best or immoral at worst.

This isn’t proof that God is imaginary.  This is proof that social mores have taken a serious downturn.

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  • 1. Mark  |  June 13, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    I wonder what would happen if you pointed out to mushy that America is never mentioned in the Bible..

  • 2. Luke  |  June 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    I object to the use of the term “murder” in Marshall Brain’s title. Murder would imply innocence, and all of the people that God decrees should die in the verses that Brain cites have committed a sin. But, they have committed so-called “minor” sins, or at least sins that Brain feels are minor.
    They are minor “sins,” if you even want to call them sins. Let me list them all so you get a feel of just HOW minor and ridiculous they are:

    Man saying what’s punishable by death is one thing, but when a supposedly “fair, loving, and perfect” God makes ridiculous laws punishable by death, I lose some respect for that God.
    Let’s go over a few of those ridiculous laws quoted in the Bible. It’s funny how many websites have them all listed, lol. Anyway:

    Exodus 21:12
    “He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.” -Unless a God told him it was ok.

    Exodus 21:15 (Petty)
    “And he who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.” -Just a petty strike? Even if the parent forgives the child who struck them, that society must still kill him? What if it’s an accidental “strike?” KILL HIM!!

    Exodus 21:17 (Petty)
    “And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.” -Real mature, God. How petty. Apparently a couple words phrased in a certain way are punishable by death, too.

    Exodus 21:29 (petty)
    “But if the ox tended to thrust with its horn in times past, and it has been made known to his owner, and he has not kept it confined, so that it has killed a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also shall be put to death.” -What happens the first time an ox “thrust with it’s horn” that resulted in a death? STONE THE OX AND THE OWNER!! That seems to be the popular theme in those times.

    Exodus 22:19 (Petty and disgusting)
    “Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.” That’s just plain nasty. But put to death? Being ridiculed and shunned or even cast out by society isn’t bad enough.

    Exodus 31:14 (Petty)
    “You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for [it is] holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does [any] work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.” Which is it? Death, or excommunication? Make up your mind, God.
    Exodus 31:15 (Petty)
    “Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does [any] work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.” Oh, Death it is. Thanks for clarifying, God.

    Why would God honestly feel those people needed to die for such stupid reasons. What good would come out of people dying for that reason? What was his “divine” reason for it? Why wouldn’t he give them a chance to be forgiven?

    Here’s a couple thoughts for you to ponder about the sabbath, and the creation story in general:
    Why did it take 6 days when he has the power to create it all in just 1 billionth of a second?
    The 7th day is the Sabbath, as you know. Why did he “rest” on the 7th day when he was already done with the Universe and the Earth in the first 6 days? That implies that he was going to do more work on the 8th day and so on. Everything in existence was already here, so he was naturally resting anyway because there was nothing more to be created. Why would God force the 7th day to be a holy day of rest as a law, just because he supposedly rested on that day? Then on top of that, why would he later randomly make it so that when that law is broken, the offender shall be put to death? That in and of itself is retarded.
    And why would he even need to rest in the first place? I guess he gets exhausted, too. So not only can he not tell the future, but he gets tired and needs to rest. Silly author of the creation story.

    What “inspiration” is there to write down a seriously flawed creation story with no evidence other than the assumption that a God created the Universe? The author doesn’t mention anything about who the story was either dictated to, or who or where the story originated from. It all seems to be from the author’s own imagination like every other creation story on Earth is. All imaginary creation stories are the basis for all of the imaginary Gods of all the religions. I can point out 30+ things in the biblical creation story by the time I get to Cain and Abel that don’t have any logical answer or reason to them. The above are just a couple of them.
    Anyway, back to more senseless violence:

    Leviticus 20:10 (Petty)
    “The man who commits adultery with [another] man’s wife, [he] who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.” -Yes, God. Let all petty, private, disputes between a couple of people be put to death by a whole society!

    Leviticus 20:27 (Petty)
    “A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood [shall be] upon them.” –Wait.. spirits? When you die, you go to heaven or hell. Why is there even spirits roaming around in the first place? Yes God, let’s kill people that talk to imaginary things. Everyone on earth would be stoned to death until 1 person is left.

    Numbers 1:51 (Petty)
    “And when the tabernacle is to go forward, the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle is to be set up, the Levites shall set it up. The outsider who comes near shall be put to death.” –Yes God, let’s kill people who happen to walk into the wrong place at the wrong time that don’t even know the consequences.

    Samuel 6:6 (PETTY MURDER)
    “When they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The LORD’s anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the Ark of God.” –What’s that you say? The Lord’s Anger? Murder? God’s a loving one, indeed. God would have preferred the Ark to fall into the mud, so Uzzah paid the price.

    Every single one of these things listed from the Bible are ridiculously petty private disputes between a couple people. And yet, people still say they’re “Good, Divine” reasons for society as a whole. It’s a good thing God was there to give people those laws. We would have been doomed because apparently, people back then didn’t have the capacity to become the moral people we are today.

    I’ll stick to my belief that these are man-made stories and laws used to control and manipulate the masses through fear

    The Ten Commandments don’t specify a day; they merely say that one day should be set aside for rest. Traditionally, that day has been Sunday.
    –Thou shalt not lie. The bible says no such thing about “setting aside any day you want for sabbath.” The sabbath is the 7th day as pointed out in the creation story and other multiple verses associating sabbath as the 7th day that God rested and made the Sabbath holy. The sabbath is from sundown Friday, to sundown Saturday, NOT 12am to 12am. The 7th day is not Sunday as most people tend to think. Even the calendar has Saturday as the 7th day and Sunday as the 1st day in the columns. Jesus kept the Sabbath on the 7th day, and so did his apostles after his death. It wasn’t changed at all. Sunday was actually a day of Pagan worship, as was Dec. 25th among other things. Even as an Atheist, I know this stuff. How did the real Sabbath get so misconstrued over all this time? Let me guess. “Satan did it.”
    http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath_changed.asp

    Do believers ignore these parts of the Bible? Well, I’d say that we ignore the prescribed death penalties because we are no longer under the law, but under God’s grace.
    –I’d say people “tried to find” an excuse to ignore them and justify God’s “murder” by saying they’re no longer “under the law” because of Jesus. And he clearly says.
    Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:18-19
    –Nothing of the law shall be changed till heaven and earth pass. And what he meant by “till all is fulfilled” is referring to “the fulfillment of heaven and earth passing.” And then he says that people breaking, and teaching other people to break any of the least commandments shall be called least in heaven. Isn’t that what you’re doing by saying “the sabbath is any day you make it,” and “we aren’t under the law anymore,” just to name a few?
    –So make any excuses you want about “not being under the law because of Jesus,” but Jesus didn’t change anything about any laws. He expanded on a few, sure, but over all he didn’t change anything but worshiping him instead of God.

    This isn’t proof that God is imaginary. This is proof that social mores have taken a serious downturn.
    THE GODS ALWAYS BEHAVE LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THEM. When you understand this, the Bible and it’s imaginary God will finally make complete sense.

  • 3. Luke  |  June 14, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Oh, and as I mentioned in a few other refutations, let’s not forget the flood, where God literally murdered everyone but a few people and some animals. That includes all babies, children, and animals. God spared more animals than he did humans. How ridiculous.

  • 4. Anti-Devil  |  July 10, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    its becuz the human were too sinful and corrupt and were worse then animals?

  • 5. Anti-Devil  |  July 19, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    LOL and btw luke u typed too much lol..not everyone bothers to read so much of nonsensical things=D but we still love u luke=D

  • 6. Anti-Devil  |  July 28, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    i challeng all of u….If u killed people and treat others like an animal,Does god have all the right to Take away ur life?yes or no


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