Proof #39: Realize that Jesus was a Jerk

March 3, 2008 at 12:34 am 13 comments

Marshall Brain tries to make the case that Jesus is a jerk. He actually fails quite miserably, as I will demonstrate.

Brain cites Matthew 5:43 and Luke 6:26, where Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. Then he cites Mark 16:15-16, and makes a new twist on an old argument: that by sending people who do not believe to Hell, Jesus is a hypocrite. He’s telling us to love our enemies, but He is not being loving to His enemies by condemning them to Hell.

The problem here is no case has been made for why unbelievers would be perceived as enemies. There is no mention in that verse that those people are enemies, and Brain makes no positive case for why they should be considered enemies.

As to whether condemning an unbeliever to Hell is loving, I propose that it is. First, understand that Hell is not torture in a lake of fire. It is punishment, but it is not torture. Hell is chiefly separation from God. The unbeliever has already separated himself from God in his earthly life, by not choosing to believe in Christ and live his life accordingly. Therefore, an afterlife separated from God is what the unbeliever wants.

Now, for Brain’s list of contradictory Bible verses:

  • Matthew 5:16 and Matthew 6:1:  Not a contradiction.  The difference is in motivation.  Practicing righteousness solely to get noticed by others is what Jesus is condemning.
  • John 14:27 and Matthew 10:34:  The former passage is talking about inner peace while the latter is talking about world peace.  There is a huge difference.
  • 2 Kings 2:11 and John 3:13:  Answered here.
  • Exodus 33:11 and John 1:18:  Not being able to see God refers only to God’s full glory.  It is possible to see God in other ways, such as through Christ.
  • Mark 9:40 and Luke 11:23:  The first says that whoever is not against Jesus is for Him.  The second says whoever is not with Jesus is against Him.  Sounds like the same thing said two different ways.

Next, Brain states that someone who breaks a promise is a jerk. He thinks that Jesus breaks promises in the form of unanswered prayers, based on Mark 11:24 and a long list of other verses. Prayer has been answered already here.

Then Brain tells us that someone who makes up stories is a jerk, and insists that Matthew 4:8 cannot be true because there is no way to see every kingdom in the entire world even from Mount Everest. Obviously, this is an example of dramatic language not meant to be taken literally. Just in case Brain still insists on being hyperliteral, the words were penned by Matthew, not by Jesus. Which means that this is evidence of Matthew being a jerk, not Jesus.

In Matthew 15:22-26, Brain rips a verse out of context to make his point. He ends the story with Jesus calling a Canaanite woman a dog after she asks Him to heal her daughter. What Brain doesn’t tell us is that in following verses, Jesus heals her daughter and compliments her faith in Him.

Brain then cites Mark 11:1-3 and Matthew 8:28-34 as examples of Jesus stealing things. But there is a problem with the assertion that Jesus actually stole the colt and the herd of pigs. The problem is that Jesus is the Son of God, and God gave everything over to Jesus (Jn 3:35). God owns everything (Deut 10:14). How can the one who owns everything steal? By definition, He can’t!

Next, we have two examples of Jesus’ emotional outbursts. Somehow, this is supposed to prove that Jesus is a jerk, but I think it only proves that Jesus is human as the Bible clearly teaches (Phil 2:5-8; Col 2:9). The writer of Hebrews insists that it is the humanness that makes Jesus the perfect propitiation for our sins:

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. (Heb 2:14-18, emphasis added)

After the emotional outbursts, Brain states that contradicting oneself is a good way to be perceived as a jerk. He then launches into the same line of reasoning in the video on heaven, which has been answered here. There are no contradictions because Scripture teaches only one way to get to heaven: God’s grace, which gives us saving faith in His Son.

Brain hasn’t shown that Jesus is a jerk. He has, instead, ripped Bible verses from their context, read them hyperliterally, and misapplied them. None of this proves that God is imaginary.

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  • 1. Luke  |  May 26, 2008 at 12:28 am

    The problem is that Jesus is the Son of God, and God gave everything over to Jesus (Jn 3:35). God owns everything (Deut 10:14). How can the one who owns everything steal? By definition, He can’t!

    —ROFL!! That is the most RIDICULOUS thing I’ve ever heard. That means that EVERYONE is stealing from Jesus and therefore sinners by definition. I don’t see Jesus down here giving people his stuff.

  • 2. Cory Tucholski  |  May 27, 2008 at 2:19 am

    God granted humans stewardship over the earth, so your argument is moot.

  • 3. Mark  |  June 13, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Hmm, this is mushy’s logic:
    1. Jesus is a jerk.
    2. Therefore, Jesus did not exist, God is fake, and religion sucks.

    Here is an argument against the existence of Marshall Brain (No loving God would allow someone so stupid to exist):
    1. Mushy is a jerk.
    2. Therefore, Mushy does not exist.

  • 4. Luke  |  June 15, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Luke 19:27, Jesus says:
    “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

    Jesus is a jerk. Nuff said.

  • 5. Luke  |  June 17, 2008 at 10:40 am

    First, understand that Hell is not torture in a lake of fire. It is punishment, but it is not torture.
    –You only say this because the idea of a torturous God is very uncomfortable and contradictory of a loving God. It CLEARLY contradicts the Bible as I’ll point out in these verses below.

    Deuteronomy 32:22-23
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
    I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
    –Here’s God himself talking about fires in hell, along with some other nonsense like setting the foundations of mountains on fire and consuming the earth in fire. And what’s this nonsense about God “spending” arrows? lol.

    Rev 20:15
    And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    James 3:6
    And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

    Mark 9:47-48
    And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    Mark 9:43
    And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    –I could list more, but I think this gets the point across. Do you even read the Bible? lol. Who told you hell is merely being “cut off from God” when these, and more, verses clearly tell you that hell is unquenchable fire.

    –And actually, there are quite a few other verses that when taken in context, actually mean the Grave. I’ll list a couple.

    Acts 2:31
    He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
    –This verse actually suggests that while Jesus was in hell, which is being dead and the grave in this context, his soul was there with his body. And for the three days Jesus was in hell, his flesh did not see corruption, which is decay. So was Jesus in the “burning” hell, the “cut off from God” hell, or the Grave that is Hell?
    –This next verse talks about Hell (graves) delivering up the dead and their souls to be judged–
    Revelation 20:13
    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    –So one minute Hell is a place of fire and torture, the next minute it’s “being cut off from God,” the next minute it’s the grave where people wait to be resurrected and judged in End Times.. There can’t be 3 different versions of hell. Just 2 are contradictory. If all of these themes of hell are in the Bible, they contradict each other and are then one of the many contradictions in the Bible. These contradictions just keep piling up.
    -One of these “hells” says that you don’t go anywhere when you die but the grave. And then you have to wait until End times before you’re judged in order to go to Heaven or the lake of fire. Jesus avoided this “End Times” by taking an early ticket out of here paid in full by daddy.

  • 6. Mark  |  June 17, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    “Love” in the Bible is more like tough love. If someone infinitely loves you they will let you see the consequences of your actions and punish you appropriately. And about the hell thing, the fire and brimstone stuff is symbolic of being cut off from God.

  • 7. Luke  |  June 17, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    If someone infinitely loves you they will let you see the consequences of your actions and punish you appropriately
    –Like killing you. We all know how God loves to kill people for the smallest sins. After all, the wage of sin is death and eternal punishment.

    And about the hell thing, the fire and brimstone stuff is symbolic of being cut off from God.
    –How stupid. How is a lake of unquenchable fire symbolic of ANYTHING but fire? Do I have to go pointing out more verses of this “symbolic” fire? Why doesn’t any of these verses tell the TRUTH about hell instead of constantly using symbolism? Like I pointed out above, the Bible has two Kinds of Hell when taken in their contexts; Fire, and the Grave
    –This only validates my point that people try to explain and rationalize this kind of thing away because the idea of a “loving” God that torturous and burns people for eternity is uncomfortable and contradictory of a loving God. If there’s any verse that literally points out hell is being “cut off from God,” then please point it out. Otherwise, you’re contradicting the Bible and you could very well be lying if you “think” it’s some kind of symbolism being cut off from God. God can do whatever he wants. Kill you, and burn you for eternity. So don’t be so presumptuous or you could be flat out wrong, which is the same as lying.

    –The “grave” hell is only uncomfortable because people want to go to Heaven immediately after they die. Not even Jesus went to heaven immediately after He died.. It took 3 days.

  • 8. White  |  July 1, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    If you’ve seen passion of the Christ, you’ll understand why non-believers are condemned to hell ^^ Christ died for all your sins, and yet He is lookin down at dear Luke, saying He’s fake.

    So Luke is a jerk, nuff said? LOL

  • 9. Anti Devil  |  July 1, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Luke…your mother have things and by using hers u are a sinne? u stole her thing? i pity u so much..u have a brain of a scarecrow..oh and btw..god dosenty believe in u…i only wanna tell u..its either u burn in hell or not..brother

  • 10. Anti Devil  |  July 1, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    don worry..we still love u luke=)

  • 11. Anti-Devil  |  July 14, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    And btw it is not ridiculous..yes we were taught to love our enemies..so we love u=D (just kidding) it is not that god really want people to go hell,it is just that sinners (which means all humanity) cannot step into the purest sinless heaven..thats all..So there isnt anything ridiculous.U are ridiculous maybe luke…=D

  • 12. Jake Jensen  |  August 18, 2008 at 4:09 pm

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  • 13. JDSTATS  |  May 8, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    I’ve read that proof of Brain’s and am completely flabbergasted. He acknowledges the miracule of Jesus saying a colt would be exactly where he said it would be, but calls it stealing because the bible doesn’t reference taking it back.
    They did reference taking it back, elsewise the Bible would have said “Jesus said we would take it back, but we never did.” Should the Bible also reference every time Jesus put on his shoe or drank a cup of water. These are childish attempts to nitpick about everything. Brain GROW UP. Seriously, this would seem to be outright lying to me, as you know that no book would make reference to returning the colt except to say that he was going to return it in the first place.
    Brain further quotes Matthew 18:7-9. Unfortunately, he fails to mention that Jesus speaks in parables. So while you quote this literally, it was clearly meant figuratively. Clearly if something causes you to sin, like consumption of alcohol, you should do away with it in your life, no matter how much you will miss it. Brain ignores this explaination, even though he could have asked any christian for an explanation to this verse and they would have been able to tell him. This seems intentional so that he can poke fun at religion. He further says that Jesus should send people to counseling and “see a therapist.” Yeah, I bet there were alot of those is 0 BC. Good call.
    The story of the fig tree is another analogy Jesus gave people. If something does not produce fruits, it should be tossed aside. Take athiesm, Brain, note how atheism gives no standard to live, nor hope for the future, nor an answer to any of the whys in life. It promotes a whatever you think is right, is right philosophy. It allows people like you to proclaim that he is doing the right thing, while intentionally misrepresenting scripture, misstating science, and in some cases outright lying to insult a billion people.
    Brain, if this is what athiesm truly leads to, then it bears no fruit and should be tossed aside. The same goes for your assinine proof.


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