Proof #45: Consider Noah’s Ark

March 11, 2008 at 4:40 pm 12 comments

This proof is nothing but argument from outrage from the first word to the last.  Marshall Brain recalls several episodes of what he calls “mass murder” throughout the Bible ordered by God.  He believes that it says a lot about Christian character that we worship a mass murderer.  He then concludes “It is impossible for a ‘perfect’ and ‘loving’ being to also be heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to see that.”

Very true.  As an intelligent person I do see that.  Brain’s own words mean that the killings the Bible describes were just and perfect judgments from God, not episodes of senseless mass murder.

Brain never takes into consideration that all humans are sinners (Rom 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).  These unrepentant people that God killed were only getting what they themselves had earned by a lifetime of sin and ignoring God.

In order for this proof to work, Brain would have to show that such mass murder was unwarranted.  He does not.  He only assumes that we will get that picture in our heads.  He also presumes to know more than God, who is omniscient and knows all the outcomes of every possible alternative choice in any given situation.  The burden of proof is on Brain to show that this wasn’t the best option.

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  • 1. Jackal  |  March 12, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Why is God punishing the people for sins he knew they would commit? He’s supposed to be all-knowing so this shouldn’t be a problem for him. The thing is God knew people would commit sin to where he would have to flood the Earth, but yet he let’s it go on and then kills them. This is a nonsensical mass murder.

    It is not man’s fault, God allows people to commit sin. It is God’s fault.

  • 2. Luke  |  June 15, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    “It is impossible for a ‘perfect’ and ‘loving’ being to also be heinous, demented and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to see that.”
    Very true. As an intelligent person I do see that. Brain’s own words mean that the killings the Bible describes were just and perfect judgments from God, not episodes of senseless mass murder.

    –Way to miss the point and misinterpret what he was getting at with ridiculous reasoning. You completely ignore his other statements on why he is saying it’s mass murder; which it is. Innocent babies and children were killed in the flood, and there’s no denying that. God IS a heinous, demented, unforgiving, infanticidal and despicable mass murderer. NOT a perfect and loving being. He wouldn’t be killing and telling people to kill everyone who does the most petty, ridiculous sins if he was forgiving. And here you are denying it through willful ignorance and ridiculous rationalizations.

    Brain never takes into consideration that all humans are sinners (Rom 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). These unrepentant people that God killed were only getting what they themselves had earned by a lifetime of sin and ignoring God.
    —What you never take into consideration is that if all humans are sinners and need to die, then Noah, his sons and their wives, and ALL other people God “saved” from his mass murdering sprees are no exceptions. I find it appalling that God “saved” more animals than humans in the flood.

    –And how can the author of the flood story know that the WHOLE earth was flooded? 40 days isn’t enough time to sail the whole world and see. Now if he thought the earth was flat, and everything in the horizon was the visible earth, then he would think the whole earth was flooded. Goes to show you how primitive and absurd the story is. And I find it ridiculous that the only reason that they thought the whole earth was flooded without seeing it is because “God told them.”
    And why are there other flood stories, such as the epic of Gilgamesh for example? It goes to show you that even if there was a world wide flood, then not everyone was killed. And do you honestly think that Noah was the ONLY person on earth with a boat at that time?

    –The fact of the matter is whether there was a flood or not, God had nothing to do with it, and he never told anyone to build a boat for animals and that he was going to flood the entire Earth. A few animals on a boat does not account for all the species on Earth and their distribution today in the geological record. There’s no archaeological evidence of a world-wide flood that coincide with each other on the geological record.

    The burden of proof is on Brain to show that this wasn’t the best option.
    –Where’s your proof that this was the best option? God has the power to do anything he wants, and his “best” option is mass murder? Give me a break. Grow up and stop making excuses for God’s genocidal tendencies.

  • 3. White  |  July 1, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    God gave life. He can take it back as and when He likes. My dad gave me a bicycle today. He can take it back as and when he likes too. Simple? Noah is a sinner, but READ THE BIBLE PROPERLY, becos Noah is made right, through FAITH. God isn’t angry at Noah. Get it? 😛

  • 4. Anti-Devil  |  July 10, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    and btw god gave us all free will..So we can do watever we like..but god will judge..so god will only see wat u do and he will judge u or punish u or reward u..and btw if i know u are going to do something but u haven do it..how can i punish u…thats same applies for god…he knows the future..but he cant punish u before u did it…get it?

  • 5. luke  |  July 11, 2008 at 12:02 am

    he knows the future..but he cant punish u before u did it…get it?
    –If God knows the future, then he knew Eve would eat the fruit. He knew Satan would tempt him, and he knew Satan would war with him up in heaven. He knew all the Angels that would rebel against him. He knows who’s going to heaven and hell, and he knew he would be sorry that he even created man and he knew that he would drown everyone long before he even created the Earth. What is the point, then?
    –And if we have free will, then how can he know the future? We can change our future at any time. For example, you have a gun sitting on a table in front of you. In a split second, you decide to kill yourself for no rhyme or reason and it takes only 3 seconds to lift the gun up to your head and pull the trigger. Did God know you were going to kill yourself the week before you did it if you never contemplated it before the 3 seconds it took to spontaneously decide to kill yourself for no other reason than the hell of it?
    –Another example would be you decide to talk a walk, and it begins to storm outside and you get hit by lightning and die. Did God know you would take that walk a week before, and did he know that lightning would strike the exact spot you were walking?

  • 6. Mark  |  July 11, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    noah’s ark is fiction based on local flood stories

  • 7. luke  |  July 15, 2008 at 2:47 am

    noah’s ark is fiction based on local flood stories
    –Fiction is a recurring theme in the Bible. What is fiction doing in the “infallible word of God?”

  • 8. Anti-Devil  |  July 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Lol even if we have free wills god knows the million possibilites and infinite possibilities that our future can become..even if u were going to random swallow ur mouse and jump down ur building in ur underwear god can foresee it..becuz he KNOWs everything.he even know how hard u are trying to disprove christianity but u failed

  • 9. Luke  |  July 16, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Lol even if we have free wills god knows the million possibilites and infinite possibilities that our future can become..even if u were going to random swallow ur mouse and jump down ur building in ur underwear god can foresee it..becuz he KNOWs everything.
    —What do you mean by “Even if we had free will?” Are you saying we might not have free will? You need to re-examine your religion if you think we don’t have free will. Otherwise, word your sentences better so they’re more specific.
    –Anyway, I’ve heard this argument before, and it doesn’t mean anything. Just because God knows every possible outcome of whatever, doesn’t mean that he knows what will actually happen until it actually happens. For example, I can say that this day next year, it will rain, or it will be hot and humid, or it will be cloudy, or it will be sunny. But until that time and day come, I won’t know exactly what the weather will be like until I see it a year from now on this day. So my point is that just because I know every possible weather scenario, I won’t know what the weather will be like for any given day beyond what meteorologists can predict a week in advance or so.
    –Then there’s the alternative. God can make it happen so he imposes on the natural cycle of the weather for the desired outcome. Which is to say in humanities case, he can impose on the free will of men. So who knows, maybe he’s the one who made Eve eat the “magical” fruit so he had an excuse to start this whole heaven/hell test fiasco.

    he even know how hard u are trying to disprove christianity but u failed
    –And he also knows how weak your arguments are to prove Christianity.

  • 10. Anti-Devil  |  July 19, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    BLa BLA BLa u and ur own theory,come on i am a kid,ur an adult..everything i say u wont belief..is it becuz i am a kid? then u should get a christian adult to talk to u…lol..everything single we say u REALLY REALLY refute with WEAK explainations..i mean it.

  • 11. David  |  December 8, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Why does God have human emotions? Why would a “perfect” creator get angry in the first place? It makes no sense. Why does the Christian God get angry? Because the men that fabricated these fairy tales get angry.

    Men created the Christian God in their own image, pure and simple. A perfect being wouldn’t get angry and wipe out the world as the bible would have you believe. The bible is a collection of fairy tales.

    There may be a God or some higher power but it is certainly not the God of the bible. The God of the bible was made up by men. Men wrote the bible!

  • 12. sirian  |  January 11, 2010 at 1:25 am

    I would add more to this but I don’t really need to. Its been proven that the flood was the formation of the dead sea. By no means global.
    Meh i’ll stick somthing on anyway. Lets say that everyone did die apart from Noah. You do realise that makes everyone on the planet Jewish as they are all directly related to a family of Jews.
    Also how did Noah and his family repopulate the earth without being incredibly incestuous. Which I do believe is a fairly major sin, You telling me God was OK with that?
    Finally my last point is one that I often point out to a lot of people who believe in God. Ok God didn’t create all men or all man kind. He just created the jewish people. If you get the original scriptures this is a key point. If you get an old bible its still in there but it was ommitted from the modern ones because of this reason. God’s people the people he loves and the only people who can go into his heaven are Jew’s. Or Christian’s directly related to Jew’s. (note: has to be mother’s side) Or Followers of Allah, again directly related to the Jew’s. If your not then it doesn’t matter if you believe in him or not he’s not your God and wont let you in heaven.
    This is why this fact is ignored. If you knew that you couldnt get into heaven and that he wasn’t your God why would you worship him. They needed a religion to enslave the masses of other nations and the one they had wouldn’t work. So they missed out that key bit so people would do what they say.
    If you dont believe me check it. Actually do some research into your religion. How it came to be, it’s parent religion’s and all the other things that have made it what it was. You will find I speak nothing but the truth.


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